Rose Farm

Home Up Roads and cottages Jamaica Speke Maps Farming at Speke Churches Speke School Lodges Speke Hall Police Links Miss Watt's letters Hunting On THe Estate

ROSE FARM

1901 census
Robert E Williams            Head            32            Farmer                Lancs, Speke
Annie Williams                 Wife             26                                           Lancs, liverpool
Florance Williams            Dau                3                                           Lancs, Speke
John Williams                    Son                1                                            Lancs, Speke
Mary Hyde                         Serv              53             General Serv     Lancs, Liverpool
(shanty on farm)
Michael Sherity                Head            50            Carter on farm   Ireland

1891 census
Elizabeth Williams            Head            59            Farmer                Lancs, Speke
Robert E Williams              Son               22            Farmer son         Lancs, Speke
Mary Horan                         Serv              40             General Serv     Ireland
Sarah Ann Griffith            Serv              23            General Serv       Lancs, Woolton
Michael Garity                   Serv             39            Ag Lab                  Ireland
Thomas Coghlan               Serv              20            Ag Lab                  Ireland

1881 census
Robert EDWARDS            Head            63             Farmer Of 100 Acres    Speke, Lanc
Catherine Owen                Sis                 62                                                         Garston, lancs
Robert E WILLIAMS        Neph              2                                                         Garston, Lancs
Mary Williams                  Serv               18             Nurse                                Wales
Mary Morgan                    Serv               50                                                          Ireland
Edward Neston                Serv               30             Ag Lab                               Ireland
James Bourke                     Serv               26            Ag Lab                                Ireland
Thomas Jennings             Serv               28             Ag Lab                               Ireland

1871census
Robert EDWARDS            Head            54             Farmer Of 100 Acres      Speke, Lanc
Catherine Owen                Sis                 62                                                           Garston, lancs
Robert E WILLIAMS        Neph              2                                                           Garston, Lancs
Mary Williams                  Serv              18             Nurse                                   Wales
Mary Morgan                    Serv              50                                                             Ireland
Edward Neston                Serv              30             Ag Lab                                  Ireland
James Bourke                    Serv              26            Ag Lab                                   Ireland
Thomas Jennings            Serv              28             Ag Lab                                   Ireland

1861census
Robert EDWARDS               Head            44            Farmer Of 128 Acres      Allerton, Lanc
Thomas EDWARDS            Bro                61                                                         Allerton, Lancs
Catherine Owen                   Sis                 55                                                         Allerton, Lancs
Elizabeth Owen                   Neice            58                                                          Speke, Lancs
Elizabeth Tanner                 Neice            18                                                         Garston, Lancs
Ellen Parker                           Vis                 34                                                        Ashton, Lancs  
Emily Parker                          Vis                 4                                                          Liverpool, Lancs

1851census
Robert EDWARDS               Head            33            Farmer Of 90 Acres            Childwall, Lancs
Thomas EDWARDS            Bro                54            Formerly farmer                  Childwall, Lancs
Catherine Owen                    Sis                44            Housekeeper                        Childwall, Lancs
Elizabeth Owen                    Neice            20            House maid                          Childwall, Lancs
Ann Tierny                             Serv              20             House maid                           Ireland, Kildare
Thomas Naylor                     Serv              19            Farm servant                         Childwall, Lancs         
William Helsby                     Serv              18            Farm servant                         Childwall, Lancs
Issac Houghton                     Serv              14            Farm servant                         Childwall, Lancs

1841census
Elizabeth Edwards            70            Farmer             Lancs
Thomas Edwards               40                                      Lancs
Catherine Edwards           32                                       Lancs
Johnathan Edwards          30           Ag lab              Lancs
Robert Edwards                 23            Ag lab              Lancs
Elizabeth Owen                 11                                       Lancs
John Grace                           21            M S                   Lancs
Joseph Wright                    17            M S                    Lancs
William Ockleshaw          13            M S                    Lancs
Bridget Carma                    16            F S                      Ireland
John O’Neil                         30            M S                     Ireland
Charles McBride               25            M S                     Ireland
James Smith                        60            M S                    Ireland
John Stanley                       25            M S                     Ireland
James Worrall                    30            Draper             Lancs
Ellena Worrall                   22                                       Lancs
Thomas B Worrall             1                                       Lancs
James Worrall                    5m                                     Lancs

Margaret Price                    27            F S                    Lancs
Maria Price                            2                                      Lancs
Catherine Glenson            20            F S                   Ireland
Sarah Devenison               21                                      Ireland
Susannah Crosley            15                                       Lancs  

Robert Edwards named in Miss Watt’s birthday book 1878

Extract from letter 14/2/1870 from Geo Whitley          

As you may now have a little leisure I send this for your perusal having taken out the obnoxious charges.

New Manchester Railway, promoted

by the Mancr. & Sheffield, Midlands &

Great Northern Lines.

            You will recollect that they take a small angle off Edward’s Farm (1a 1r 6p statute meas:) and I believe for want of funds the matter has been allowed to stand over since 1866 but now they are making much progress & are pressing for early possession and a settlement of terms. They offered to leave the question of value to

a Liverpool Valuer of undoubted ability but I declined doing so and sent them a valuation by Mr. Shelmerdine and they said they declined accepting if we should not object to leave it to the decision of 2 Surveyors one to be named by each party, to this proposition I reassured an answer a copy of which I enclose. Mr. Shelmerdine’s valuation has been sent to them, he shewed it to their Agent down here who thought it a very extravagant one.

Extract from letter 20/10/1870 from Geo Whitley

List of Tenants attending rent day dinner at Speke
1. Richard Atherton                                  21 Charles Key rent £17.18.2
2. Thomas Atherton                                  (James Stockton – Thatcher
3. William Atherton                             X(Thos White-Capt Watts’ tenant
4. F.G. Byron                                      (22 John Seddon – Gardner
5. R. Sutton                                                     (23 Jos. Rigby, rent £10.10.0.
6. John Sutton
7. William Sutton
8. James Cartwright                              X have always
9. John Cartwright                                              attended
10. William Pinnington
11. Jos. Boyes
12. Rob. Edwards                                              24. Joseph Meredith
13. Wm. Mawdsley
14. Edw. Holins                                         The Clergyman
15. William Charlton                                     Occasionally The Doctor
16. Thos. Langshaw                                   Occasionally. any
17. Thos. Langshaw Jnr.                                        other party connected
18. Ralph Leigh                                           with the estate
19. John Barrow     )
20. William Crosby)            Blacksmith & Wheelwright, have always attended

Extract from letter 6/9/1872 from Geo Whitley

Gates

            Langshaw wants two, Edwards Ten and several others, must they be ordered? Crosby has got 14 gate posts out of the three oak trees fallen, he will attend to your orders regarding straightening up about the saw pit.

Extract from letter from 28/9/1872 from Geo Whitley

Lunt’s estimates

                            Rob. Edwards farm buildings                                                          30. 0.  0.         do            flooring dining room                                                         18.10. 0  do            Spouts                                                                       6.10. 0.
55. 0. 0.
White’s cottages                                                                                               9. 5. 0.
Repairs at Stockton’s Wood                                                            38.10.0.
Gate &c                      do                                                                             12. 0. 0.

£104.15. 0.

            I have gone fully into these estimates with Mr. Lunt and he says that in the present state of trade it would not remunerate him to reduce them. The dining room floor (flagged) he thinks ought in fairness, in such a house to be boarded as independently, of being very cold the carpets are very quickly worn out.

Speke rents Copy Memorial from the Tenants

Received 16 Sept. 1872. G.W.

To James Sprot & George Whitley Esqrs.

Gentlemen,

            We the undersigned tenants of the Speke estate which you so honourably represent as Trustees of the late Richd. Watt Esq.  Prayeth  That owing to almost the entire loss of the potato crop, damage to the hay & corn crop, the enormous extra charge for labour partly through strikes & the unfavourable weather, increase in the price of all commodities we require whether implements or manures, the low price of agricultural produce, your Memorialists find it quite impossible to pay the present rents.             It has always been our wish to pay the estate (you represent) what we promised, but under the present circumstances your Memorialists request you to make an allowance which you kindly promised in May last*

We are, Gentlemen

                                                                  Your obedient Servants
Richd. Atherton                      William Chorlton                  Thos. Langshaw
Thos. Atherton                        W. Cartwright                  Wm. Mawdsley
Fred Geo. Byron               R. Edwards
Joseph Boyes               Ed. Holmes                                    John Sutton
Jas. Cartwright                  A & S Jenkinson                    William Pennington
John Cartwright                  R. Leigh                           William Sutton

            * I must say I do not recollect such a promise having been made.

                                                                                    G.W.

                                                                        16 Nov 1872

Extract from letter from 8/3/1873 from Geo Whitley

Edward’s house

            I went through this and found the Parlour and the best bed room very damp & have arranged with Lunt to commence operations on Monday morning. The new pig styes are a great improvement and the work is well done.

Extract from letter from 1/4/1873 from Geo Whitley

Rob. Edwards

            The flooring is completed and the spouting seems like an effectual job but it has not yet been tried by any heavy fall of rain, he wants a small window made to throw light into a dark staircase which I have promised him.